| Diamond: |
The thing is that I can't really distinguish that from mental illness and it sounds like, neither can you. Plenty of people don't think they are mentally ill but are. What I can say is that they tend to not tell you to do things that are too worrying. This isn't too far from a decision someone could make logically. But I also tend to think that "good" outcomes and "bad" outcomes often depend on your outlook. If you are expecting good then you'll look for it and the same with bad. Also coincidences. I believe in those. Enough coincidences justify beliefs.
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| Diamond: |
Sometimes it gets fucking ridiculous. Delude yourself enough and you start thanking god your car keys are where you left them
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| Me: |
Also, the things aren't always right. I generally assume that is because of my fallibility? That I didn't hear them correctly, or that I made myself hear what I want to hear. It is not a completely illogical possibility, considering the method employed to access the information. But that is the sort of thing stupid religious people do...
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| Me: |
And I totally get what you are saying. This is also incorporated into my Quandary based worries...
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| Me: |
I both don't believe in coincidences, and I do. More Quandary.
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| Me: |
I am all up in arms, because current day logic says I am probably a crazy, but a lot of me just goes "But what if I am right?"
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| Me: |
What if I am right?
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| Me: |
It's a really big question, and almost scarier than going to the therapist. It's like therapy/getting drugged is actually a cop-out? That all this magic that I have been gifted with, I am not strong enough for it, and I am giving up on it.
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| Me: |
It's also a sort of declaration that I don't believe in my own magical abilities, and that is a huge blow to my magic and also my state of mind.
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| Me: |
I have generally just gone "Well, fuck it. I don't like the world anyway, so if I am right, it is better and stuff is awesome, and if I am not, I get to go crazy and not be as bothered by how horrible life is."
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| Me: |
But I also desperately want the truth.
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| Me: |
And Quandary goes "It is all truth."
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| Me: |
And that is hard to handle, and since the world is an asshole, I wouldn't at all be surprised if I am right with both of my viewpoints, and that doesn't even make sense.
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| Diamond: |
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| Diamond: |
I don't know. Lots of people think they know things and it gets them in trouble. I don't care which possibility strikes me as more awesome; it's the one that strikes me as more true. That is super objective though. I do not trust straight answers or black and white. Anything that relieves me of responsibility doesn't seem like a thing to trust.
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| Me: |
Also, I know that I will likely find right and wrong where I expect it. But generally things get pretty clearly bad? And there is always good in things and bad in things, and it is hard to be discerning? It really depends on your viewpoint, and I am not sure whether I am being optimistic, pessimistic, clear, or whatever. It seems that coincidence lies on the side of me being correct, and that's why I keep believing in things? Also, the feeling of it is sort of intense, and was nothing like what praying was like when I was a Christian. This makes me more inclined to believe it, but also more worried about mental illness.
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| Diamond: |
Show your work?
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| Me: |
I am that way too. The problem is, and the basis behind Quandary, is that each seem EQUALLY TRUE. Both are a little scary. So for now, I have been "going" with the more awesome of the two. And honestly, I just sort of hold onto both ideas and worry. I would move forward in both of them, if I could, but I have been specifically instructed not to. Honestly the logic view is sort of black and white, and that is one of the reasons I distrust it. And with both of them, I am relieving myself of different responsibilities. With the magical view, I am responsible for things that have been given to me. I have a destiny, and I need to make it there. In the logic view, I have myself and the well being of my friends and family to worry about, and I won't be able to do anything for myself or others if I go crazy.
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| Me: |
And you want me to cite occurrences that I have aligned with the directions given to me by the things?
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| Diamond: |
Yes.
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| Diamond: |
Also how is the logic view black and white?
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| Me: |
Magic doesn't exist and I am pretty clearly insane. There is no real give for psychic occurrences. I am not sure if this is technically logical, but when I am in the mindset that doesn't include/believe what is up is magic, it is like that, and that is what I am calling the logic view? Because logic gets all shuffly around these things.
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| Me: |
And I will attempt to drudge up things.
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| Diamond: |
No. That isn't logic as much as skepticism. And not really that either.
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| Me: |
Well, logically, both options are liable to be true, depending. There are high numbers for both sides.
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| Diamond: |
That most certainly isn't how I do logic.
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| Diamond: |
High numbers?
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| Me: |
By high numbers I mean that there are plenty of signs pointing towards good ol' schizophrenia, and there are also lots of signs pointing towards magic. I should try to make lists...
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| Me: |
One clear memory is how I knew I wasn't supposed to get an apartment with my boyfriend in Missouri. But I firmly changed the course of things. That bombed, with the failing of the relationship, the loss of some friends, the loss of my apartment and also my individuality. I technically also lost my job. Some of that may have happened anyway, of course. I had grown sick of my job. But the life at the apartment was definitely not good for me, and there was plenty of bad, just within that. My magic also stalled there, even though I should have had a increased ability to practice and grow.
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Let's see... something good... I believe they told me to come back here? Which was good and bad. It ended the nightmare apartment situation, but I also spent a lot of time not doing shit.
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| Me: |
See, I check so often that it's not a huge thing everytime?
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| Me: |
So sometimes it is a decision to do this thing before that thing, and then it works out really nicely or something.
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| Me: |
And there's also the possibility that I am avoiding something by following the directions, and then I don't ever know about it.
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| Me: |
And that's completely unprovable and also frustratingly sounds like bullshit.
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| Diamond: |
Hmm... That seems wishy-washy to me. You also have the power of regular ol logic. Also I take it back I believe in black and white. Things are true or they aren't. Just things/people who try to quantify it that way are usually wrong.
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| Diamond: |
...
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| Diamond: |
Huh.
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| Diamond: |
So.
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| Diamond: |
I believe in truth.
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| Diamond: |
At least right now.
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| Diamond: |
Huh.
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| Me: |
Huh.
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| Me: |
I don't think I believe in truth.
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| Me: |
I think everything is sort of...
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| Me: |
Respective?
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| Me: |
Like... not specifically exact.
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| Me: |
I believe in science and things...
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| Me: |
Like, a+b=c stuff.
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| Me: |
But there is a whole mess of stuff that doesn't fall into things?
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| Me: |
I don't know.
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| Me: |
I sort of believe in absolute truth, and with all of the knowledge and technology, we would be able to understand all the things.
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| Me: |
Like with what is going on with me.
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| Me: |
I do and I don't, and that is the problem with things.
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| Me: |
I am Quandary about basically everything.
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| Me: |
I see and believe most of the viewpoints.
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| Me: |
I can see most viewpoints, but a lot of them are dumb.
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| Me: |
I don't know.
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| Diamond: |
Remember the religion Truth believes in?
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| Me: |
I think so...
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| Me: |
Explain?
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| Me: |
(again)
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| Me: |
Man, I like talking about my things, but it's hard to back up my points because I both believe in them and don't?\
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36:38 PM) ***Me drinks a gin and tonic.
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| Diamond: |
She believes that there is one huge truth and that is god. And truth is unknowable. And you can't really tell the truth. Only bits and pieces.
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| Me: |
That makes enough sense to me. Did you know that that is sort of the basis for most religions? All of the other stuff is like trying to figure out different pieces of that truth?
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| Me: |
Maybe that is a generalization...
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| Me: |
But I see that in a lot of things, and people take it too far, way too far.
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| Me: |
It should be just sort of a peaceful knowledge gathering?
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| Diamond: |
I don't know. Everyone seems to do it dumb.
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| Me: |
A lot of them do.
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| Me: |
Some don't.
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| Me: |
They are rare gems.
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| Me: |
I sort of do it that way? That is why my "gods" are just different sorts of energies, and I don't really worship them. I just learn things and then keep learning things. They are a rather similar pursuit to archetypes.
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| Me: |
I don't hold anything about this being more truthful than that, because how the fuck could I say that I am the only one who knows stuff? There is lots of things for knowing and they won't all be mine! |